Hypocrisy From The Dems Over Presidential Heckler. Surprised?

I recall during the 2005 State of the Union Address, President Bush was booed by the Democrats. I also recall during the Presidential Inauguration this past January how Democrats in the audience were chanting “Na-na-na-na. Na-na-na-na. Hey! Hey! Goodbye!” in a very derisive manner towards President Bush.

Flashback: Democrats Boo Bush At 2005 State Of The Union
Real Clear Politics
Spetember 10, 2009

So, why are these same people so indignant about what Rep. Joe Wilson said last night during Obama’s pitch for socialized medicine?

President Barack Obama’s address to Congress this evening was moving along fairly smoothly until he pledged that there was nothing in the legislation that would provide health care to the millions of illegal immigrants residing in the nation.

A cry of “You lie!” was audible from the Republican side of the aisle. That heckler was South Carolina Republican Rep. Joe Wilson. (Watch the video HERE.)

“It’s not true,” the president responded to the outburst, while House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, seated behind the president, offered her mother-of-five glare towards the Republican side of the chamber. First Lady Michelle Obama was seen shaking her head from side to side.

Then truth is that if you walk into any hospital emergency room here in the U.S. there is a big sign that says you cannot be turned away for any reason. Most illegal immigrants here in the U.S. are using our emergency rooms as their family doctors’ offices. There is nothing in any of the socialized medicine bills floating around Congress that changes this.

I don’t think Rep. Wilson should have made any kind of apology until the Democrats clean their own house and offer apologies for all the insults they have been sending towards President Bush and towards Americans in general (i.e. calling us “Nazis,” “un-American,” etc.).

You can access the complete article on-line here:

GOP Rep. Joe Wilson: Presidential Heckler
Wall Street Journal
September 9, 2009

47 Responses

  1. Once again, my home state (SC) has made a fool of itself in the national media. I’m so proud

    • No worse than the Dems normally do on a regular basis. This isn’t any bigger than the two examples I quoted in my post.

  2. Do you have a source for the quote? I understand your what you’re saying, but I think in all these discussions it’s important to note where, exactly, the criticism is coming from. Those Democrats booing at the conventions are not the same individuals responsible for this article. Just as i don’t assume all Republicans would attend a town hall debate and shout and heckle, we cannot lump everyone in the country under these rigid headings.

    I claim independent and certainly don’t believe shouting/heckling in any public, political forum is appropriate or productive.

    Also, I hear comparisons to Nazis and Hitler, particularly in light of the health care debate, from all sides. I’m disappointed with the state of American politics and media simply because credence is given to these inappropriate outbursts so often, yet so little constructive discussion is given proper attention.

    • Please forgive the typos in my post. I was in a bit of a rush…

    • As I said, the Dems need to clean up their house first before they start to criticize others.

      • ‘As I said, the Dems need to clean up their house first before they start to criticize others.’ If that applies to Republicans as well as Democrats…… Well, wouldn’t that be nice. Both sides would either clean up their houses or stop criticizing each other. Legislators heckling the President is wrong. It was wrong for the Democrats and it’s wrong for the Republicans. We should respect the office even if we don’t respect the man. If it’s okay now, then it will be okay when we get another Republican president. Are we trying to destroy all respect for our institutions? Where will that lead us? And are we trying to so vilify this president that … what?…. someone kills him? God help us.

  3. “Then truth is that if you walk into any hospital emergency room here in the U.S. there is a big sign that says you cannot be turned away for any reason.”

    Pics or it didn’t happen.

    84rules responds:

    Who needs pics? I can simply relate the relevent section of the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act:

    “(q) In the case of a hospital as defined in 489.24(b)–

    (1) To post conspicuously in any emergency department or in a place or places likely to be noticed by all individuals entering the emergency department, as well as those individuals waiting for examination and treatment in areas other than traditional emergency departments (that is, entrance, admitting area, waiting room, treatment area) a sign (in a form specified by the Secretary) specifying the rights of individuals under section 1867 of the Act with respect to examination and treatment for emergency medical conditions and women in labor; and

    (2) To post conspicuously (in a form specified by the Secretary) information indicating whether or not the hospital or rural primary care hospital participates in the Medicaid program under a State plan approved under Title XIX;”

    Still think it didn’t happen?

    If you want, you can look it up here:

    emtala.com

  4. Oh boy, Republicans calling Democrats hypocrites is the pots calling the kettles black. There is a great deal on both sides. The difference is, if you check the facts, Obama seems to be correct far more often than G. W. Bush. I don’t like politicians on either side, but the behavior of Republican figureheads in this debate has been reprehensible.

  5. I appreciate you point and your post, 84rules.

    However, saying “Then truth is that if you walk into any hospital emergency room here in the U.S. there is a big sign that says you cannot be turned away for any reason.” does NOT address whether or not Obama’s plan includes health care coverage for illegal immigrants. It’s basically a non-responsive statement and point.

    If you were to produce a part of the proposed plan that actually says something about providing health care to illegal immigrants then I would be more convinced.

    It may very well be that the plan fails to address the issue at all, but that isn’t the same as saying the plan actually includes something that isn’t there. (By the way, I don’t know if it does or not. I haven’t read the freakin’ thing. I’m sure reading it could cause headaches, blindness, or worse.)

    Perhaps “You lie!” isn’t the most compelling argument of all time.

    • It’s not that I am not addressing any aspect of Obama’s plan. (In the strictest sense, Obama does not have a plan. He has been trying to peddle the five plans coming out of Congress right now.) It is that none of these plans addresses the “Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act” of 1986 which provides the loopholes that illegals have been using in order to get emergency room staffers to act like their personal family doctors.

      Pick any one of the five plans in Congress and you will see that all those loopholes remain. Thus, Obama was wrong when he claimed that illegals would not receive taxpayer-funded health care. Either he is ignorant of the law, or he thinks we are too stupid to notice.

      • Not only do those holes remain, but they are reinforced to stay open. In the plan endorsed by the democrats before the vacation, pg 50, section 152 stated that health care will be provided regardless of “personal characteristics,” which could easily include citizenship status. Luckily, the “president’s plan” has already stated that illegal aliens can’t use public health insurance, just private insurance. It’s comforting to know they’ll have to pay out the rear for that sort of thing just like the rest of us.

  6. Edited due to infantile use of cuss words.

    • If you want to edit my post – PLEASE feel free to remove the curse words and leave the substance.

      There was nothing infantile about the hypothetical distinction between calling BUSH a liar (He was) and calling OBAMA a liar (He isn’t).

      You engage in false equivalency, just like the rest of your cohorts. And you hide from being called on it…just like the rest of your cohorts.

      • Obama is lying about a great many things. He is lying when he says that socialized health care will not add to the deficit. (The CBO pointed out that it most deifinitely will.) But libs like you hide from that fact and try to bury it under ridiculous insults and unfounded accusations.

        Obama is lying when he says that illegals will not be given access to taxpayer funded health care. See my other replies to this post to find evidence for that although I am certain that as a lib you will try to bury that too.

        Obama lied when he said that he would end the influence of lobbyists and yet packed his staff with lobbyists and retains lobbyist Tom Daschle as an advisor.

        I could go on all day about Obama’s lies.

        All in all, Obama has lied more in eight months than Bush did in eight years. That is why Obama’s ratings have fallen so fast. The American people do not like politicians who say one thing and do another.

        As for editing your comments, I do not have time to play English teacher. You simply should have studied harder during your grammar lessons.

  7. You’ve got to be kidding. That was the most disrespectful thing that has ever happened to a President addressing a joint session of congress. That guy is a national embarrassment. This isn’t the South Korean Parliament. The Republicans should be ashamed.

    • The Republicans should feel no more ashamed of this than the Democrats should feel ashamed of their leaders calling mainstream Americans “Nazis” or “un-American” or “angry mobs.” As I said, the Dems need to clean their own house first.

      • Un-American? See Michelle Bachmann.

        Nazis? See Rush Limbaugh et al.

        Angry mobs? See the facts…attend a town hall. Those ARE angry mobs, filled with liars and the ignorant: “Keep the government off my Medicare!”

        Calling Obama a liar when he speaks the truth IS NOT the same as calling GWB a liar when he LIES.

        Your contortions must be painful. That’s some nuclear stupidity you’re throwing about. Be careful before you hurt someone.

  8. 84rules, I think you are backtracking. Your post made the point that Obama “pledged that there was nothing in the legislation that would provide health care to the millions of illegal immigrants residing in the nation.”

    You defended the guy who said “you lie!” about that statement.

    Now, rather than producing any facts or evidence to back up your position, you tell us about lots of other “lies” by Obama.

    Can you convince me that your opening point has merit or not?

    • There’s little to nothing on this site that has any merit.

      It’s nothing more than thinly disguised dittohead yammering, teabagger blithering and racism peeking out from behind a wingnut facade.

    • No, no backtracking here. The idea that illegal aliens are already getting free health care courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer is a huge sticking point. Many times have opponents of nationalized health care brought this point up and many times the supporters of nationalized health care have dismissed it.

      You can read that here:

      Illegal Immigrants, Health Care And Half-Truths
      John Egan
      Baltimore Sun
      September 10, 2009

      The Baltimore Sun is not what anyone would call a bastion of right-wing thought. Several times amendments were offered to HR3200 that would specifically ban illegals from receiving taxpayer-funded medical care and all of them were defeated by the Democrats. Why?

      The problem is that right now, under the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, illegals can walk into any Emergency Room in the U.S. and will be guaranteed free medical services. That is why so many of them use the ERs as their family physician.

      My point is that nothing in HR3200 or any of the current bills does anything to change that. But they do contain loopholes that will ensure that the 1986 law remains in effect.

      In other words, illegals will still be getting free medical care while the American taxpayer foots the bill. Why do the Dems want to continue that?

    • Obama lied about his religion. Obama lied about his nationality. Obama lied about funding coming from HAMAS terrorists and SAudi sources for his education, and 2008 elections.

      Obama was quick to ridicule and insult Bush when he was in office….

      he is flanked by 2 low class **itches named Hillary and Pelosi, who have screamed liar many times, and shown total disrespect for the office of the president.

      favoring illegal aliens for health care they will not have to payr for.
      Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NON-RESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual
      taxes. (Americans will pay for their health care)

      PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill – HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens,
      illegal or otherwise

      so Obama lied about not giving illegal immigrants free health care.

  9. All in all, Obama has lied more in eight months than Bush did in eight years.

    Saddam Hussein has Weapons of Mass Destruction.

    Saddam Hussein has ties to Osama Bin Laden

    President Bush said that he would withdraw American forces from Iraq if the new government asked him to do so

    “No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq.”

    “The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency. . . . It has developed weapons of mass death” President Bush (10.02.02)
    “There’s a grave threat in Iraq. There just is.” President Bush (10.02.03)

    I have reluctantly concluded, along with other coalition leaders, that only the use of armed force will accomplish these objectives and restore international peace and security in the area. I have also determined that the use of armed force against Iraq is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organiza-tions, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001. United States objectives also support a transition to democracy in Iraq, as contemplated by the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338).

    BUSH: We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. [Bush on Polish TV, 5/29/03]

    BUSH: We recently found two mobile biological weapons facilities which were capable of producing biological agents. [Bush, 6/5/03]

    During the 2004 campaign, Bush claimed “Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires — a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we’re talking about chasing down terrorists, we’re talking about getting a court order before we do so.”

    9/11 WARNINGS
    In her public testimony before the 9-11 commission, Dr. Rice stated: “I do not remember any reports to us, a kind of strategic warning, that planes might be used as weapons.”
    After the attacks, Ari Fleischer stated that the President had no warnings of an attack and President Bush explained
    “[n]ever [in] anybody’s thought processes . . . did we ever think that the evil doers would fly not one but four commercial aircraft into precious US targets . . . never.”

    In May 2002, Condoleezza Rice claimed, “I don’t think anybody could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile.” (05.16.02)

    Dr. Rice: “[W]e received no intelligence that terrorists were preparing to attack the homeland using airplanes as missiles, though some analysts speculated that terrorists might hijack airplanes to try to free U.S.-held terrorists.” (03.22.04)

    President Bush: “Had I known that the enemy was going to use airplanes to strike America, to attack us. I would have used very resource, every asset, every power of this government to protect the American people.” (03.25.04)
    Surprisingly, Bush reiterated this comment at an April 13 press conference. “[T]here was nobody in our government, at least, and I don’t think the prior government that could envision flying airplanes into buildings.”

    /Keep trying. Your false equivalency, lies, and cowardly hiding from the FACTS is beautiful. Don’t change a thing. I love your desperate efforts – they reveal you for the yellow, lying dog you are.

  10. “I love your desperate efforts – they reveal you for the yellow, lying dog you are.”

    Are personal attacks really necessary? I think that’s part of the problem with political discourse in our country. We can’t simply disagree or attempt to quibble over what might or might not be the truth. We have to get that personal attack in there, too. IMHO that is part of what keeps us off track.

  11. Amen! Wake up liberals! Before you throw stones at us, check out your own glass house. Everything is documented from Michelle Obama to George Bush. If you think we’re unfair by calling Obama a liar (and I agree with Wilson) how about repenting of your own past behavior first? Realizing you guys were the loudest during Bush’s campaign and the most vicious is a good first step. Also, read the bills before you deny anything is false. It’s in black and white.

  12. Just a question – when emergency rooms treat people with no insurance, do they get government reimbursement? I thought they had to eat the cost?

    • The 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act requires that U.S. Emergency Rooms treat everybody regardless of ability to pay or citizenship status. The government only reimburses the hospitals about 50% which is why so many hospitals in the Southwest have gone bankrupt under the wieght of having to treat illegal aliens in recent years.

  13. It’s hard to believe someone was so surprised about a politician lying that he had to yell it out. Well, who need health care anyway? I didn’t need no health care when my heifer was sick, I just went out and got a pitchfork and stabbed it. It went “MOOOOOOOOO!” and i stabbed it again. And again. And again. Then it died and got all rotten and maggoty.

    I like the cow.

  14. Fine and dandy, 84rules. I’m not disputing that illegal immigrants may already be receiving health care. But that was not the point of your initial post. I’ll try this again for the third time. Your post was that it was a lie when Obama said immigrants receiving health care wasn’t a part of his plan.

    All I want to know is what is true. Is Obama’s statement a lie or not? If it is a lie I assume there is some sort of evidence to back that up.

  15. Wow, i always want to reply to people like you, but i realize that you don’t actually listen to people like me. Just an FYI: People are not easily categorized into “libs”, or Republicans or Democrats. Life is not either/or. President Obama is including policies approved and promoted by Senator McCain. So does that make him less liberal? Or more conservative?

    And also, it’s easy to spout out rhetoric. Lots of people are doing it right now. But you need to back up your rants with facts if you want anyone to respect you.

  16. “Then truth is that if you walk into any hospital emergency room here in the U.S. there is a big sign that says you cannot be turned away for any reason.”

    Really? So if I need an organ transplant or care for a degenerative disease they’ll treat me right then and there? Not to be snide but do tell as I’ve been wondering about this every time I hear someone say the aforementioned.

  17. You cast a broad net when you say “Dems” and furthermore expose yourself as a partisan parrot. Booing Dems are wrong; Wilson was wrong (he was mature enough to apologize). Why not say that? Instead you are adding to the ever widening divide in this country.
    Also, nothing in the bill would explicitly “provide” insurance for illegals, but no one is denied point-of-care when they need it. Do you really want every person to produce papers anything we end up in an emergency room?

    • Yes. And if the patients are from a foreign country, we should send the bill to the government of their country of origin, not to the American taxpayer.

  18. Rank of Nations by Life Expectancy

    Source: That ultra-liberal organization, the CIA! (link follows)

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

    U.S, is 50. 50th!!! We’re behind Bosnia for God’s sake! Note “socialist hell holes” Britain, Canada, and Sweden make the top 10.

    Rank country (years) Date of Information

    1 Macau 84.36 2009 est.
    2 Andorra 82.51 2009 est.
    3 Japan 82.12 2009 est.
    4 Singapore 81.98 2009 est.
    5 San Marino 81.97 2009 est.
    6 Hong Kong 81.86 2009 est.
    7 Australia 81.63 2009 est.
    8 Canada 81.23 2009 est.
    9 France 80.98 2009 est.
    10 Sweden 80.86 2009 est.
    11 Switzerland 80.85 2009 est.
    12 Guernsey 80.77 2009 est.
    13 Israel 80.73 2009 est.
    14 Iceland 80.67 2009 est.
    15 Anguilla 80.65 2009 est.
    16 Cayman Islands 80.44 2009 est.
    17 Bermuda 80.43 2009 est.
    18 New Zealand 80.36 2009 est.
    19 Italy 80.20 2009 est.
    20 Gibraltar 80.19 2009 est.
    21 Monaco 80.09 2009 est.
    22 Liechtenstein 80.06 2009 est.
    23 Spain 80.05 2009 est.
    24 Norway 79.95 2009 est.
    25 Jersey 79.75 2009 est.
    26 Greece 79.66 2009 est.
    27 Austria 79.50 2009 est.
    28 Faroe Islands 79.44 2009 est.
    29 Malta 79.44 2009 est.
    30 Netherlands 79.40 2009 est.
    31 Luxembourg 79.33 2009 est.
    32 Germany 79.26 2009 est.
    33 Belgium 79.22 2009 est.
    34 Saint Pierre and Miquelon 79.07 2009 est.
    35 Virgin Islands 79.05 2009 est.
    36 United Kingdom 79.01 2009 est.
    37 Finland 78.97 2009 est.
    38 Jordan 78.87 2009 est.
    39 Isle of Man 78.82 2009 est.
    40 Korea, South 78.72 2009 est.
    41 European Union 78.67 2009 est.
    42 Puerto Rico 78.53 2009 est.
    43 Bosnia and Herzegovina 78.50 2009 est.
    44 Saint Helena 78.44 2009 est.
    45 Cyprus 78.33 2009 est.
    46 Denmark 78.30 2009 est.
    47 Ireland 78.24 2009 est.
    48 Portugal 78.21 2009 est.
    49 Wallis and Futuna 78.20 2009 est.
    50 United States 78.11 2009 est.

    • You forgot to mention that patients from every country ranked ahead of us are coming here to the U.S. for care because their own socialist medicine programs are refusing to treat them.

      • You need to check your definitions. The US of A does not have socialized medicine, nor is anything like it suggested in what Congress is currently considering. In socialized medicine, health care workers are government employees. Their paychecks come from the government. A government program such as Medicare is closer to a single payer plan, meaning that the government reimburses providers, but providers are privately employed and/or are private institutions.

        The VA program is akin to socialized medicine. VA hospitals are run by the government, and VA employees are government employees.

        When hospitals treat illegal immigrants, they are not reimbursed by Medicare or Medicaid. They can attempt to bill the patient, and of course they may or may not get paid, just as with any patient. That the law requires they not be turned away does not imply that the government is going to pay for their care.

      • I never said the government would pay for them. I said that ERs were required to treat them no matter what and that none of the socialized medicine bills in Congress right now (yes, they are all geared towrds the single-payer, government run system) do anything to change that.

  19. So it’s okay to boo republicans or anyone who disagrees with the liberal ideology, but not okay to boo democrats? Wilson should never have had to apologize, but he is showing himself a better man for it.

    • No, it’s not tasteful to boo, or to say “You lie”, although both are legal under the beloved Constitution. And no one “has” to apologize. But you’re right, he’s showing himself a better man for it. And Obama showed himself a better man in his subdued response.

  20. Wilson was correct to apologize. Even though he was absolutely correct, that chamber is supposed to be a place of decorum. Why, there has’t been a fist-fight on the floor since Andrew Jackson’s time.

    normsy: “Do you really want every person to produce papers anything we end up in an emergency room?”

    Why not? You have to do that when you open a bank account, or get a credit card, or buy a house, or a car, or …..

  21. I’m disappointed, 84rules. I guess you are unable or unwilling to back up your position from the original post. That renders it just more political white noise. Curious. Do you actually fact-check any of your opinions before you embrace them?

    • Then you need to read more carefully. I did fact check and reference everything and you ignored it. I’m disappointed in you too.

  22. I hear what your’re saying, and I sort of agree with it from a “take the plank out of your own eye” P.O.V.
    But I think the truth is that no one ever sees what their side is doing as wrong, even when the other side starts doing the same thing back at them and they react that it’s some sort of attack. There’s always a “well that’s different” attitude when its reflected back. If someone can figure out a way to break through that, then you might see some sort of change.

  23. I remember having to go to the ER back in the early nineties and being asked to put down seventy bucks before I could be seen. This was Alexandria Hospital in Alexandria, VA. I’m not making this up. I had been to the ER quite a bit for urinary tract infections because I couldn’t afford to go see a regular doctor, I was that broke.

    I guess they got sick of me. I went to a different ER. Ended up not paying the bill, to be honest.

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